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[jeebo]

Hi All,

I have bought the pro (home) version of SARDU, having used Sardu for many years! The main reason for todays USB Disk, is to produce a bootable SARDU which has the new windows 10 installer.

Having installed and ran SARDU, I put two ISO images onto it, ping, and this additional ISO. I got it to produce the media, and eventually managed to get it up to a point of running, however, the interface was very different, and Sardu as I know and love it, didnt work!

Rather than getting all the options of the tools, with the SARDU icon, I got a screen with memtest (32/64) and Sardu (32/64) but then when I tried to choose both the 32/64 versions, I had some sort of error (I apologise, this was last night and I didnt get any screengrabs) instead, I just got the prompt saying "grub> ", and I couldnt run it.

I set the software to burn it as UFI, and it created the USB without error.

I know I need to get some screenshots, but from what little detail I describe, has anyone seen this before and has anyone managed to get it working otherwise?

James

[jeebo]

Right, got some more details! there was a warning about "CSM Module not found", though my tablet doesnt have any CSM options in UEFI

So it opens rEFind, and gives the option of MemTest, or 32/64, which when I leave it, comes up with the options of starting the shell, I chose 32 bit (to match my tablets CPU, and it just gets stuck at ".. starting EFI shell 32 bit"

[unclejoe]

I am a long time user of the product but I notice that I must be doing something wrong. Anytime I run across a UEFI system I get the same thing as Jeebo posted above. I can see the mem test and the 32/64 stuff and others but I get no menus for any of the anti virus tools. If I put the same usb stick in a "normal" pc I see everything and it all works fine. What did I do wrong or what step did I miss?

[davidecosta]

Hi to all.
UEFI system is in testing.
Isn't easy manage EFI, this system don't supoport 16bit kernel...don't launch grub4dos --> don't works the miultiple installer
For the error with the new Windows installer Can I know wich version? If is the 32+64bit version is available only for pro-tech version

[unclejoe]

OK I was bored so I did a bunch of testing and this is what I discovered. I am NOT saying this is correct but just what I discovered.
As a test machine I am using a Microsoft Surface 3. This is a UEFI machine and I found no way to boot to legacy mode, so I am stuck with UEFI. Now if someone knows different I am willing to learn.

I created a USB drive with SARDU and placed most of the antivirus programs on it, Most but not all. Booting to a usb drive with a surface is a little tricky and I had inconsistent results using the recommended volume key and power button combo. I found that using the recovery option in settings and selecting "Use a device" allowed me to easily boot to usb.

Using QEMU the disk works perfect and looks like I would expect in a "normal-old style" PC.

Then I booted to the usb drive with my Surface 3

Once booted I had an option of EFI 64, EFI 32 and the

Selecting EFI 64 I found this menu and it had a different look than in a "normal PC"
Shell EFI 64
Antivirus EFI
Utility EFI
System Shutdown
System Restart
Boot From first hard drive

Selecting Antivirus EFI ig can seethe following:
AVG Rescue cd EFI
BitDefender EFI
VBARescue EFI
Avira Rescue EFI

Selecting Utility EFI I see
Boot Repair disk 64 bit EFI
Boot Repair disk 32 bit EFI
Clonezilla i686 PAE EFI.

Now this was a test disk and I did not load everything. Some of the programs I loaded did NOT show up in the EFI module. I am assuming here that the ones that did not show up are not bootable on an efi system.

Well this is what I found by trial and error and it may be in the documentation but I failed to read the docs so that is what I get. Maybe this will help those who are stumbling along to figure out what works and what does not.

My thanks again to David and the team for making a product that is truely useful to those of us that have to fix and install pc's and laptops and tablets.

[davidecosta]

We have to test and add others software for works with EFI.
ISn't easy and neet much time
There are BIOS that chainload from EFI to syslinux (Like Mac), i don't know the surface.
I know that I've PC that chainload and PC that don't chainload.
I've USB pendrive that boot with EFI ...after, withour reason that i know, don't boot with EFI.
I know tha EFI isn't the best solution

[wayne7215]

Hi all together

I'm having the same troubles with all our Surface 3 Pro tablets.
We played around with all well known tools as Easy2Boot, UEFI_Multi, Winbuilder 8 and 10 projects and so on, but we always stuck on the Surface UEFI.

What I figured out and maybe helpful for David and his team, we never run into some problems with booting into UEFI on the Surface with the Acronis Backup & Recovery bootloader for UEFI, even with SecureBoot is enabled it works just perfect. Their Boot-Media builder has the option to chose a Linux based or WinPE based bootloader with UEFI Support. With the Linux it's working like a charm, with WinPE we never got it to run.

Maybe it's worth to analyze how they do it to implement the same into Sardu? I'm more than happy to share such an bootable media created by the Acronis Media-Builder with you if you want.

So to all those Professionals out there with UEFI knowledge, we urgently need such a Multi boot USB for MBR and UEFI and I'm willing to spent money for it. If I count the time we wasted already into this annoying UEFI topic, I guess we could buy already a few Surface 4 pro for this money

Send me an offer by PM for a working MBR/UEFI multi boot stick, I'm willing to pay a lot for it when it works on the Surfaces as well

Regards
Wayne

[davidecosta]

Mmmm escuse me, are you a registered member of SARDU?
Or have you bought SARDU pro?
In my test I've made one boot with more PC with efi (32 and 64 bit) using Refind
Never tried Surface

I know that if your goal is boot SARDU using uefi you have to disable secure boot

If your goal is have one multiple Windows installer from UEFI...at this moment isn't available.

[wayne7215]

Hi David

Yes, we are a registered customer with Pro Tech.
The problem is, the Sardu media works with all systems which supports Legacy Bios (CSM) but the Surface 3 Pro and never devices don't have a CSM module, so all what we get on the Surface is the following Message:

NOTE: refind.conf's 'scanfor' line specifies scanning for one or more legacy (BIOS) boot options; however, this is not possible because your computer lacks the necessary Compatibility Module (CSM) support or that support is disabled in your firmware

Of course we have disabled secure boot.

My post from yesterday was just because I'm curious why other manufacturer as Acronis are able to create a Boot-Image which is working even we have not disabled the secure boot and some others need it to be disabled or only works with a CSM module, the legacy mode.

Any suggestions how we can solve this problem and get a pure UEFI boot stick with Sardu?

Thx
Wayne

[davidecosta]

Acronis have a secure boot recognized and authorized by Microsoft.
SARDU use Refind
Microsoft Surface limit the boot from external EFI....my opinion is that this choice is catastrophic.
Apple (and i hate Mac) heve a very big EFI support, chainload to legacy....
Asus...make BIOS that support the chainload (any Desktop that boot pressing F8) ...and...others that boot enabling CMS...or....others tha boot only with UEFI 32 Bit (Asus T100, Asus T200)....